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Encrypt only Back-End in Split DBAccess 2007, XP.
Is it possible to encrypt only the backend or does both the frontend and the backend have to be encrypted? Thanks in advance, Glynn On Thu, 05 Feb 2009 18:35:07 GMT, "wineguy via AccessMonster.com"
<u48580@uwe> wrote: It is possible to encrypt one and not the other. If that's a good idea depends on what you are trying to accomplish. So let's hear it. -Tom. Microsoft Access MVP Show quoteHide quote >Access 2007, XP. > >Is it possible to encrypt only the backend or does both the frontend and the >backend have to be encrypted? > >Thanks in advance, > >Glynn Hi Tom,
Appreciate the feedback... Simply trying to provide some level of protection when I deploy using package wizard... now not so much as backend (tried encryption but ran into refresh link code password issues from the backend so I moved sensitive data from the backend and made it local to the frontend) so now I'm looking for some protection in the front-end... I tried encrypting on frontend which works fine except it doesn't seem plausible in a runtime environment distributed all over creation... so unless I'm missing something big time (which is entirely possible bcs of wading into unknown waters)... it doesn't seem like there is too much protection in a runtime environment... just looking for something to discourage average users, pros can probably get into it no matter what... any thoughts, thanks in advance, glynn Tom van Stiphout wrote: >It is possible to encrypt one and not the other. >If that's a good idea depends on what you are trying to accomplish. So >let's hear it. > >-Tom. >Microsoft Access MVP > >>Access 2007, XP. >> >[quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> >>Glynn -- Message posted via AccessMonster.com http://www.accessmonster.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx/access-security/200902/1 On Fri, 06 Feb 2009 20:44:34 GMT, "wineguy via AccessMonster.com"
<u48580@uwe> wrote: So you want to protect sensitive data. I'm thinking Salary information would be a good candidate, just so we don't make this too abstract of a discussion. The Employee table has a 1:1 relation with the Salary table (EmployeeID, SalaryAmount). You are considering putting this table in the front-end (FE). I think that's only a good idea if the data is readonly (next time we adjust salary we will deploy a new version of the FE) or if only one person uses the information (perhaps one person in the Payroll dept). In most other cases the table should be in the BE. A very cheap way of protecting the data is to hide the Salary table. Right-click the table and check the Hidden attribute. The innocent user will never realize it is there. By default the option to show hidden and system objects is off. A much more complicated option is to use ULS = user-level security (aka workgroup security) which is an advanced topic you should not get into without first downloading, studying, and fully understanding the Security FAQ from microsoft.com. As my friend Larry says: 37 pages without any filler. Encryption is NOT a good solution by itself. The SecFaq adresses this to some extent. You have to realize what Encryption of a database does: it prevents you from opening the db in Notepad or any Hex editor and seeing ANYTHING useful. It does NOT prevent any Access user from opening the Salary table and seeing it in plain text. You could encrypt the SalaryAmount column using your own encryption scheme. For example you could add 123456789 dollars to the annual amount and to the casual observer this column (especially if given an innocent name like InsuranceID, in an innocent table name like tblInsurance) it would seem to contain only uninteresting garbage information. This technique is called "hiding in plain sight". Anyway, this is a big topic and I'm hoping some of these ideas pertain to your situation. -Tom. Microsoft Access MVP Show quoteHide quote >Hi Tom, > >Appreciate the feedback... Simply trying to provide some level of protection >when I deploy using package wizard... now not so much as backend (tried >encryption but ran into refresh link code password issues from the backend so >I moved sensitive data from the backend and made it local to the frontend) so >now I'm looking for some protection in the front-end... > >I tried encrypting on frontend which works fine except it doesn't seem >plausible in a runtime environment distributed all over creation... so unless >I'm missing something big time (which is entirely possible bcs of wading into >unknown waters)... it doesn't seem like there is too much protection in a >runtime environment... just looking for something to discourage average users, >pros can probably get into it no matter what... > >any thoughts, > >thanks in advance, > >glynn > > >Tom van Stiphout wrote: >>It is possible to encrypt one and not the other. >>If that's a good idea depends on what you are trying to accomplish. So >>let's hear it. >> >>-Tom. >>Microsoft Access MVP >> >>>Access 2007, XP. >>> >>[quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >>> >>>Glynn Hi Tom,
Again, appreciate your time for the feedback. Hiding the sensitive table doesn't seem like enough protection, and the password required for encryption doesn't seem like the answer in a runtime environment... so I looked into the accde option... which sounded like a viable answer until I realized that any table/query in an accde could be imported or linked (and if I'm not mistaked even updated from anyone that has Access) so that doesn't help either... and the world of user-level security is way beyond my scope... I'm holding onto the idea of moving the sensitive tables from the accde to VBA code (and also any queries that would update the tables) as well as using some encryption code to mask any elements of data that have to be kept in a local table (thought being that if someone tried to hack around the data it wouldn't be recognizable or even useful without the encryption code)... now this is all precluded on the monumental assumption that the VBA code in a form cannot be read, decifered, or magically reproduced from an accde file... it seems to me patently absurd that MS would enable tables and queries in an accde file to be imported or linked to from another access db, but who am I to question that decision... so any comfort you can give me on monumental assumption would be much appreciated... Thanks again in advance, Glynn Tom van Stiphout wrote: Show quoteHide quote >So you want to protect sensitive data. I'm thinking Salary information >would be a good candidate, just so we don't make this too abstract of >a discussion. >The Employee table has a 1:1 relation with the Salary table >(EmployeeID, SalaryAmount). >You are considering putting this table in the front-end (FE). I think >that's only a good idea if the data is readonly (next time we adjust >salary we will deploy a new version of the FE) or if only one person >uses the information (perhaps one person in the Payroll dept). In most >other cases the table should be in the BE. >A very cheap way of protecting the data is to hide the Salary table. >Right-click the table and check the Hidden attribute. The innocent >user will never realize it is there. By default the option to show >hidden and system objects is off. >A much more complicated option is to use ULS = user-level security >(aka workgroup security) which is an advanced topic you should not get >into without first downloading, studying, and fully understanding the >Security FAQ from microsoft.com. As my friend Larry says: 37 pages >without any filler. >Encryption is NOT a good solution by itself. The SecFaq adresses this >to some extent. You have to realize what Encryption of a database >does: it prevents you from opening the db in Notepad or any Hex editor >and seeing ANYTHING useful. It does NOT prevent any Access user from >opening the Salary table and seeing it in plain text. >You could encrypt the SalaryAmount column using your own encryption >scheme. For example you could add 123456789 dollars to the annual >amount and to the casual observer this column (especially if given an >innocent name like InsuranceID, in an innocent table name like >tblInsurance) it would seem to contain only uninteresting garbage >information. This technique is called "hiding in plain sight". > >Anyway, this is a big topic and I'm hoping some of these ideas pertain >to your situation. > >-Tom. >Microsoft Access MVP > >>Hi Tom, >> >[quoted text clipped - 29 lines] >>>> >>>>Glynn On Mon, 09 Feb 2009 16:38:28 GMT, "wineguy via AccessMonster.com"
<u48580@uwe> wrote: The source code in an ACCDB is compiled when saved to an ACCDE and the source is not in the new file. It is possible to decompile code, but I am not aware of a decompiler for VBA (there *are* several for .NET assemblies). Would your hacker be willing to do the work? -Tom. Microsoft Access MVP Show quoteHide quote >Hi Tom, > >Again, appreciate your time for the feedback. > >Hiding the sensitive table doesn't seem like enough protection, and the >password required for encryption doesn't seem like the answer in a runtime >environment... so I looked into the accde option... which sounded like a >viable answer until I realized that any table/query in an accde could be >imported or linked (and if I'm not mistaked even updated from anyone that has >Access) so that doesn't help either... and the world of user-level security >is way beyond my scope... > >I'm holding onto the idea of moving the sensitive tables from the accde to >VBA code (and also any queries that would update the tables) as well as using >some encryption code to mask any elements of data that have to be kept in a >local table (thought being that if someone tried to hack around the data it >wouldn't be recognizable or even useful without the encryption code)... > >now this is all precluded on the monumental assumption that the VBA code in a >form cannot be read, decifered, or magically reproduced from an accde file... >it seems to me patently absurd that MS would enable tables and queries in an >accde file to be imported or linked to from another access db, but who am I >to question that decision... > >so any comfort you can give me on monumental assumption would be much >appreciated... > >Thanks again in advance, > >Glynn > >Tom van Stiphout wrote: >>So you want to protect sensitive data. I'm thinking Salary information >>would be a good candidate, just so we don't make this too abstract of >>a discussion. >>The Employee table has a 1:1 relation with the Salary table >>(EmployeeID, SalaryAmount). >>You are considering putting this table in the front-end (FE). I think >>that's only a good idea if the data is readonly (next time we adjust >>salary we will deploy a new version of the FE) or if only one person >>uses the information (perhaps one person in the Payroll dept). In most >>other cases the table should be in the BE. >>A very cheap way of protecting the data is to hide the Salary table. >>Right-click the table and check the Hidden attribute. The innocent >>user will never realize it is there. By default the option to show >>hidden and system objects is off. >>A much more complicated option is to use ULS = user-level security >>(aka workgroup security) which is an advanced topic you should not get >>into without first downloading, studying, and fully understanding the >>Security FAQ from microsoft.com. As my friend Larry says: 37 pages >>without any filler. >>Encryption is NOT a good solution by itself. The SecFaq adresses this >>to some extent. You have to realize what Encryption of a database >>does: it prevents you from opening the db in Notepad or any Hex editor >>and seeing ANYTHING useful. It does NOT prevent any Access user from >>opening the Salary table and seeing it in plain text. >>You could encrypt the SalaryAmount column using your own encryption >>scheme. For example you could add 123456789 dollars to the annual >>amount and to the casual observer this column (especially if given an >>innocent name like InsuranceID, in an innocent table name like >>tblInsurance) it would seem to contain only uninteresting garbage >>information. This technique is called "hiding in plain sight". >> >>Anyway, this is a big topic and I'm hoping some of these ideas pertain >>to your situation. >> >>-Tom. >>Microsoft Access MVP >> >>>Hi Tom, >>> >>[quoted text clipped - 29 lines] >>>>> >>>>>Glynn
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